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	<title>Comments on: Financial Advisors, and fees&#8230;. which ones are appropriate, what is fair?</title>
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		<title>By: JPInvestor</title>
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		<dc:creator>JPInvestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &quot;Financial Adviser&quot; covers a broad range of services. I don&#039;t think there is a &quot;best&quot; fee structure across the board. The fee should be based on the service provided.

Advice only - this should be a flat or hourly fee. Clients are paying to get an honest, independent opinion or recommendation and it should not be clouded by any conflicts of interest.

Investments only - If you are simply managing money, I like the AUM structure. If you make me more money, I pay you more. You lose me money, you make less. I am not totally against performance-only (i.e., 20% of performance above a benchmark). If our goal is to beat the S&amp;P, you would get 20% of whatever % we beat it by, including 20% of any losses avoided in down years.

Investments &amp; Advice - Stick with the Investments Only fee structure because the advice is incidental to your money management.

In any event, in no way should commissions ever be paid to so-called advisers. There is no way to separate fully the best interests of the adviser vs. those of the client. The same case might be made for AUM fees (more aggressive portfolio to try and generate high returns for more fees), but I think the AUM fee is the lesser of two evils.

By the way, as far as hidden fees, 12b-1s, and back-room compensation, that is only available to commissioned or fee-based &quot;advisers&quot;. Fee-only (AUM-only, hourly-only, etc) do not get paid by the mutual fund compaies, brokerages, etc and have to disclose ALL of their fee sources.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &quot;Financial Adviser&quot; covers a broad range of services. I don&#8217;t think there is a &quot;best&quot; fee structure across the board. The fee should be based on the service provided.</p>
<p>Advice only &#8211; this should be a flat or hourly fee. Clients are paying to get an honest, independent opinion or recommendation and it should not be clouded by any conflicts of interest.</p>
<p>Investments only &#8211; If you are simply managing money, I like the AUM structure. If you make me more money, I pay you more. You lose me money, you make less. I am not totally against performance-only (i.e., 20% of performance above a benchmark). If our goal is to beat the S&amp;P, you would get 20% of whatever % we beat it by, including 20% of any losses avoided in down years.</p>
<p>Investments &amp; Advice &#8211; Stick with the Investments Only fee structure because the advice is incidental to your money management.</p>
<p>In any event, in no way should commissions ever be paid to so-called advisers. There is no way to separate fully the best interests of the adviser vs. those of the client. The same case might be made for AUM fees (more aggressive portfolio to try and generate high returns for more fees), but I think the AUM fee is the lesser of two evils.</p>
<p>By the way, as far as hidden fees, 12b-1s, and back-room compensation, that is only available to commissioned or fee-based &quot;advisers&quot;. Fee-only (AUM-only, hourly-only, etc) do not get paid by the mutual fund compaies, brokerages, etc and have to disclose ALL of their fee sources.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Peaches</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peaches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12b-2 fees are not necessaruily unfair, it is a method of paying for distribution.  If you want to buy a T. Rowe fund from your broker, how is your brokerto be comepnsated? Either use loads/commisions or 12b-1 fees.  It is not unfair as it is disclosed.  If you want cheaper funds go for fidelity or T. Rowe funds.

FYI, the listed fees are not the only fees charged, brokegrage commissions, law suits, other extraordinary expenses, etc are not reflected in the fee table, they are instead reflect in the basis (performance).

An example of unfair pricing.
A fidleity S&amp;P500 fund costs 10 BP; look up what Morgan Stanleys fees are ( plus any loads).  Now that is expensive.

Also as an advisor, things are even more awkawrd.  You are paying for a finacial advisor so you have professional management; you then buya mutual fund for its professional management; why pay two levels of fees for professional management?&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12b-2 fees are not necessaruily unfair, it is a method of paying for distribution.  If you want to buy a T. Rowe fund from your broker, how is your brokerto be comepnsated? Either use loads/commisions or 12b-1 fees.  It is not unfair as it is disclosed.  If you want cheaper funds go for fidelity or T. Rowe funds.</p>
<p>FYI, the listed fees are not the only fees charged, brokegrage commissions, law suits, other extraordinary expenses, etc are not reflected in the fee table, they are instead reflect in the basis (performance).</p>
<p>An example of unfair pricing.<br />
A fidleity S&amp;P500 fund costs 10 BP; look up what Morgan Stanleys fees are ( plus any loads).  Now that is expensive.</p>
<p>Also as an advisor, things are even more awkawrd.  You are paying for a finacial advisor so you have professional management; you then buya mutual fund for its professional management; why pay two levels of fees for professional management?<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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